Adding a second a deregulated alternator
some with secal choke winds in side on stator
veersion of these, some include a rotary vic
Stanley A Meyer Had
Several Alternator Designs
2) Rewound with thinner wire
3) Rewound with 6 Poles
4) Rewound with stainless coated high resistant wire
5) Rewound with Choks inside
6) Custom Stators/ 8 10 13 stator poles
Those Skilled in the art have a Major advantage.,
The Higher number of Phases from Stator winding Results in pulses being closer together,
This means some cancellation in there aid our goals of high volt pulses low amps ,
if the poles on rotor are closer together that would be good
to work in combination with phases on stator
Resulting in more efficiency and less high heat kw and less hp needed.
We want thiner AWG copper wire and or flat wire. for high volt less amps
we waste less hp per kw of energy produced .
Our Amp Range is 4 amp to 10 amp under 20 amp max.
voltage 100 to 600 or 600 + max we can get out .
rpm is 500 to 3500 ceiling could be 5000 rpm.
If we Use Small Pulley Ratio to spin faster and maximise idle out put
we may spin alteernator too fast if at redline depeending on engine it is attached too
and could damage a rewired alternator
so carefully consider the pulley ratio vs voltage at different speeds
careful to match your individual engine rev ranges.
higher rpm please use stock or large ratios so no over speed of alternator
some advanced lectronic can control the voltage , but rpm is still a factor.
Note Special about builder comment
. Stan has 9 field stator windings in his alt.
right now most alternators have 6 , so need to need another 3
tthis comment came from electro.
Stanley Meyer notes Note From Other Forum for Benefit of builders,
Are they for the Ford alternator. Im using the 27si delco units. They are easier to work with. Plus they are eight pole design. Which really woke the fuel cell up. The Ford rotor is easier to take apart and rewind if needed than the delco units. I did rewind a few 27si stators to get the voltage up. I think Im at around 200 volts now at .12 amps. It works pretty good if connected in series. Have one stator rewound that is 1 slot off to the side of the conventional winding from factory. Havent tried it yet, to see how it reacts to the cell. Most of my time has been spent on the motor-generator units. Both inside one case.
RELATION OF ELECTRICAL POWER AND VEHICLES
Power "HHO" device to a vehicle is directly proportional to power the alternator on a given vehicle. If the alternator is 100A and the output voltage of 14.1 V we have the alternator with a power of 1.41 KW
6 to 7 volts and 2 amps is applied to the alternator rotor, which produces a magnetic field, which puts a load on the engine. This means the HP load is power used to generate that hho plus that 7v 2 amp This is how the meyer alternator works.
.Each alternator has an upper threshold at which forces can operate continuously. The average power is 60% of the total power of the alternator (the large alternators go up to 85% of total capacity). So we can take a useful power from the vehicle only if the sum of all electrical equipment on the vehicle, working at the same time, we add to our strength, "HHO" cell and a result can not exceed the lower number of signs in the vehicle alternators power expressed in amperes.This data can include measured by vehicle and include all electrical devices on the vehicle that would otherwise normally work together. Then turn on the HS-VG pulse modulator and gradually turning up the power cell.
During this time, constantly measures the voltage of the vehicle. If the vehicle is at 12V, that is when you turn on 14V, the upper limit of power that the alternator can produce, we have at the moment when the voltage from 14.1 V power amplification in the cell drops to 12.5 V. Or the vehicle at the upper limit of 24V power that the alternator can produce we have at the moment when the voltage drops from 28V to 25V. This test gives reliable data on the ultimate capabilities of the vehicle alternators.Cross section that HS-VG powered electricity from the vehicle should be at 10mm2 every two cells in the system. Voltage of 14V with two cells connected in parallel section = 10mm2 copper wire. Voltage of 28V in series with two related CELLS = 10mm2 cross section copper conductor. Increasing the number of cells required to increase the conductor in the above relation.For an average 20% fuel savings for a period of one hour of operation, per 1000 cm3 displacement, requires that the device produces 30 to 60 gallons of gas per hour or 0.5 to 1 liter per minute.
The ratio of invested power, electricity from the vehicle, in the process of electrolysis of water in the device HS-VG and gas obtained during one hour of work, is that it takes up to 200W 240W to make electricity from the vehicle, depending on the conditions of devices, to get 60 gallons of "HHO" gas. Advances We can add power booster which are basically capacitor banks and we can ad pwm and voltage intensifiers -Transformers configurs on providing high voltage and low amps to cell to greaty improve gas production and reduce loads on alternator's'. Whilst improving power and reducing loads on engines.
Stanley Meyers Alternator and Pulsing by 10xa
Meyer used a Ford diesel alternator large core and large case 36 wells and rotor is 6 magnetic poles each side, 6 N 6 S.
There is Now more understanding of this now , not only did this control amps it was a Tesla Theory,
The Rediant amps and Magnetic static Frequency was used,
This is Shown by the Tesla QEG and the Gerard Morin Pages and Videos Learn it !
Now we can See yet again Stan Was Way ahead in his thinking he was thinking Frequency, voltage and duty modulations
not amps as he took them out of the system. AKA a Mechanical Modulator
Example of Winding Alternator jig
The Windings can be 18 awg and up to 10 winds normally we use thinneer wire for high voltage loww amps and wire in bifilar coils as Meyer states.
Don't know the recommended size of the wire.. many use 18 awg
.I used .75mm on the wound stator shown and the other stator is .82mm . The .75 has 3 turns per coil, but I think i should have wound 4..room enough if you wind them neat it does look like I got a lot of stators,but
I use this one for training or experimenting with winding methods...The reason is , if you continually rewind the stators, they start to separate the laminations of the core...so I do all my practice on this.
Unipolar Crossover Pulse-Train Winding Description
Figure out how many turns you can fit in the stator with your chosen gauge of wire, divide this by 6.
Wind each phase Trifilar, three wires wrapped simultaneously, marking each end of your wires.
You will have 18 "ends" to connect, so make sure you label them damn good.
Insert each phase like "normal", with proper winding direction and "additive" magnetic field orientation.
When the phase is laid in the stator it will make a complete circle, so the start and end of the wires will meet.
Starting from "Negative"
Connect "Negative" to "Bottom Choke Start" for each phase.
Connect "Bottom Choke End" to "Secondary Start" for each phase....
*Possibly* connect "Isolated Ground" here.
Connect "Secondary End" to "Blocking Diode Anode" for each phase.
Connect "Blocking Diode Cathode" to "Top Choke Start" for each phase.
Connect "Top Choke End" to "Isolation Diode Anode" for each phase.
Connect "Isolation Diode Cathode" to "Positive" for each phase.
That should be better than a picture anyway.All you do is input 0-12 volts DC into the field windings, and power it with a constant speed motor. That is why it is called the "Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator
Normally this would produce 3-phase AC, however
Diodes do not conduct "backwards"
Thus circuit is "disconnected" or "off" during negative portion of the cycle,
The alternating magnetic field from the rotor only creates a voltage in the stator when the diodes conduct forwards
Therefore this is always unipolar (With reference to my above drawing and the directions indicated therein)
This is an alternator, but it doesn't create an output ANYTHING like an alternator.
1. A high voltage stator wound like normal with 300 turns per loop, you would create the given voltage due to the turns.
2. A high voltage stator wound trifilar with 100 turns per loop (x3 = 300), and connected in series.
Each has the same amount of wire, each has the same amount of turns in total.
But the 2. has 42 loops per phase at 100 turns, rather than 14 loops at 300 turns.
The electrons in 2. will travel around the stator core 3 times before exiting, rather than once.
Stator 1. would produce normal high voltage 3 phase ac with proportionally reduced amps.
Now consider the blocking diodes in 2. and look at the back emf.
Every time the magnetic field of the rotor switches to induce a negative voltage, the diodes switch off, and the magnetic field of the stator collapses.
The "Top Choke" bemf with initially go backwards against the diode, but then be forced in the opposite direction, towards V+ or clockwise.
Meanwhile the "Secondary" and the "Bottom Choke" bemf will travel counter clockwise, and since they are trifilar wound, this happens right next to eachother, and it happens 3 times around the stator core.
Also consider, during this bemf collapse, the rotors magnetic field is 'trying' to induce a negative voltage in the stator, or counter clockwise, so the rotor is working with the bottom choke and the secondary, and working against the top choke.
surely a cluster f**k of magnetic fields going on, surely it restricts the amps, causes electron bounce, and allows voltage to take over.
I didn't even mention the other two phases, but lets consider them now.
every 60 degrees you have the next phase, so you have the emf and bemf cycle constantly going on and overlapping and creating mutual induction from one phase to the next due to proximity and one damn confused stator core.
this means that at one particular time you have one phase conducting, and two pahses making bemf, and then at another paticular time you have 2 phases conducting and 1 phase making bemf, and at any other time you have some combination of the cycle, all overlapping.
After considering this design, I can somewhat conclude that you will be able to pull some unipolar voltage out of it, but pulling current out of it would be like trying to get your lawn chair back from a hurricane.Interesting theory!
Maybe the way to get the current out of the alternator, We can "Bi-, Tri-filar wind the coils (L2,L5,L8)" this lowers the Impedance of the coils, The coils are in series.
I have no idea if all the coils (L1..L9) must be wound that way. It makes sense that all the coils must be in the same field in the stator, but the coils must match the load @rpms. Looks difficult to make this kind of coil configuration.
I'm still using the alternator in the 'old' configuration. When my 'old' setup is running again......, I could look into this too.
Pulse and gate can be applied.
"Pulsating (switch off/on)
Rotating magnetic field (adjusting magnetic field strength to allow voltage potential to be developed across pickup windings 'secundary' while current leakage is held to a minimum value)"Maybe the way to get the current out of the alternator,
- We don't want current out of the alternator? we want it to act as an amp restrictor, and just get the voltage out
We can "Bi-, Tri-filar wind the coils (L2,L5,L8)" this lowers the Impedance of the coils,
-I thought of that, following my example of 42 loops at 100 turns, you could do six-filar, and then have 84 loops at 50 turns, but the reason why i am happy with 42 loops is because that is how many there are in the famous VIC Coil... 14 grooves * 3 coils = 42 loops! It's the same!
I hope you try this stator circuit, I think it makes sense and fits with the clues, so I see value in building it.
In your drawing there, showing pulsing the rotor. Would you be so kind as to provide an explanation to why this is useful, because it doesn't make sense to me. It might be a brilliant idea, but with my understanding, I just don't get it.
Here is why:
The rotor is designed to run on straight DC, the output of the stator is exactly proportional to the strength of the magnetic field in the rotor, and the strength of the rotor is exactly proportional to the current flowing in the rotor, pulsing the rotor will reduce the current which reduces magnetic field strength which reduces the output of the stator. Pulsing the rotor does not control the output frequency of the alternator, the output frequency of the alternator is controlled by the rpms, so if you want to adjust frequency you have to adjust the driving speed. The alternator is not like an AC transformer... 60 Hz in = 60Hz out, its a DC to 3pAC rotary transformer... so you see the alternator having all winds contained within the alternator.. would it be possible to use a finer wire for the chokes in a tri filar configuration? also what about the multi spool vic.. was it designed to be yet another way for obtaining restricted amps but from the exterior of the alternator? stans pcb seems to indicate that he didnt have problems with heating of his stator windings since it seems to block the circulation within the alternator.
this is a perspective i came up a while back ago of how the rotary vic was wired for each phase... 0-20 khz 50 percent duty pulse on primary.. i see the alternator having a center tap for each phase.. the center tap being tapped into the negative stainless choke in the multi spool bobbin.. see the copper wind being only one hooked to the stator output.. the stator neutrol ground going staight to ground... i see the outer copper choke constantly being hit and removing electrons to the point of being in a high positive vacuum charge around 2 stainless chokes.. i see the positive stainless being connected the primary side and is feeling the pulses primary is recieving. maybe causing some type of ruber band effect on the amplitude being broadcasted by the positive stainless into resonant cavity... ignore the copper negative choke i have drawn in the pic i do not think its needed..
After long searches i found that ford motorcraft 1g alt matches exactly with Stans! Max about windings , MAx Said he Wound as the original but with thinner wire and more wire. Stan looks to be outputting 2lpm when the tube set is sitting on the table. when running the buggy, it has to be more then 2lpm.
Here is a very good pdf about the alternator, and the winding configurations are there as well as lots of info !!
wye is the common gm wind that I use
WYE gives you more voltage
Here is a cool link with pictures, Take a peek at this one.
Beaware of skinning a few wires and created a short circuit with no load you should measure the voltage as the same across 3 phases. if not, its shorted,
You have 3 coils of wire per phase, put the first phase coils 120 degrees apart, then the same for the next 2 phases. Draw a circle on a peice of paper, at 3 equally spaced points that is 120 degrees, then to the right start your second phase with 3 coils , then the third phase next.....VOILA... 3 phases 120 degrees apart....
We can get on the alternator 500-600 volt out,else what I see power of alternator can be up to 2000 watt-not by formula voltage times amperage but because of the 14 magnetic pole alternator--alternator seems like a much better option-compared with 50 60 hertz network network does not have ability to deliver electricity as fast as the alternator. speed of charging WFC may be key.
thinner wire makes a higher voltage with less amperage........Ohms Law
Meyer is rewound stator with a thin wire --rotor not rewrapped If you use a thick wire That's why you do not get enough electricity so If you want higher electricity must be thin wire It is a rotary transformer, some math should be able to help .
most alternators are listed to the amps and are 12 volts. that is your wattage. convert it to 24 volts, and devide the amps in half, the wattage is still the same. lenz s law of magnetic flux, inducing voltage. the laws of physics can not be ignored. smaller wire will pass smaller amperage wind by hand, first phase. then second phase , then 3rd phase......If you take one apart you will see just how the windings are oriented... Stock alternators are wound cw, ccw, one coil after the other .
Factory wind is 3 phase,
all you have to do is follow what was there, to get 3 phases
, is the fase relationship of the rotor with the stator,
the the posistion of the wires in the stator electric motor is the same as an alternator.
360 degrees in one rotation. 3 phase, then each phase is 120 degrees its best if you find another alternator, and be carefull taking it apart, take it apart one turn at a time and take notes
This was the wiring schematic for the first run it shows a common wye wound alternator with a full phase rectifier set up, no regulator the field or the rotor are triggered by a variac 5 volts and 2 amps meyer said. it is pretty basic really same set up as in my vids above,
i used a GM 70 amp alternator. 14 volt and 70 amps........980 watts at @ 12 volts normal operation this means you have 980 watts to play with at any given time, normal running without over heating is half that 490 watts
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Stanley Meyer`s RESONANCE Impedence Matching Ciruit A Voltage Doubler with Inductors. H Bridge 21 Mar 2020
Jean-Louis Naudin (2008 year) attempt to replicate
Charge/Discharge signal, using "adhesive plastic sheet so has to get a fully insulated cathod":
There are errors in the Stephen Meyer`s circuit diagram!
Stephen Meyer vs. Stanley Meyer - differences https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IsnM...
Stephen Meyer`s Patent US 2005/0246059 A1: https://patents.google.com/patent/US2...
Andrija Puharich`s Patent US4394230A: https://patents.google.com/patent/US4...
Stanley Meyer's US4936961A: https://patents.google.com/patent/US4...
Stanley Meyer's WO 92/07861: http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/wo...
Drawing FIG. 5 shows the signals applied to each of the arrays 132
FIG. 3 installed in hydroxyl cell 120 emitted from each of the impedance matching circuits 102
FIG. 4 mounted on PC cards 1-6. These sets of signals
FIG. 5 with their offsetting phase relationship, frequencies and amplitudes are the driving forces producing the hydroxyl gases in cell 120
FIG. 3. Drawing
FIG. 6 shows the high frequency ringing signal located between test points T1 and T2 in impedance matching circuit 102 drawing
FIG. 4. It is this ringing that also enhances the production of the hydroxyl gases in cell 120
FIG. 3. The circuits 102
FIG. 4 convert the AC signal from each phase of 110 into a modulated signal as depicted by
FIG. 5. Note the dc bias voltage +,− on either side of the center electrical reference point OV in FIG. 5. It is this bias voltage being modulated by multi polarity differential signals from 102
FIG. 4 that contributes to the wave-guide action of arrays 132. Also, the frequency of FIG. 5 is adjusted to match the electrical wave-length of the arrays 132
FIG. 3 and the impedance of water bath 133.
FIG. 6 shows the high-frequency ringing signals that contribute to the operation of the hydroxyl production. Just as a tuning fork rings when struck by a hammer, so does the wave-guide elements in arrays 132 immersed into the hydroxyl generating liquid 133
then struck by the electrical signals FIG. 5,6 from impedance matching circuits 102 depicted in FIG. 4.
The result of this is just like the operation of a radio transmitter matching its signal to the air via the antenna impedance. Refer to FIG. 3 showing the relationship of this configuration to arrays 132, water bath 133 and Signals FIG. 5,6.
Modifiying stator is a option we have new materials and can use flat wire so we can keep that in mind, from the Phots we can tell Stan did not modify stator but did change winding considerably
Peek a Boo
Mistakes Corrected in Stephen Meyer`s RESONANCE Impedence Matching Circuit A Voltage Doubler with Inductors 21 Mar 2020
* This was published after Stan was dearly departed.
* Each tube set has three (not two) tubes or inner rod with the middle one being a voltage
* Very interesting having three "plates" with the center as a reference. Seems this would
be a considerable aid in tuning--maybe not necessary for running, but certainly for
getting it to that point.
* Stephen dumps the term "resonant cavity" and fully embraces the term "wave guide".
* The tube set length appears to be rather short, probably on the order of three to six
inches or roughly the diameter of the water bath.
* Uses mechanically generated three-phase power as its driving source, arranged in a wye
* Three phase has an inherit ability to create a two-to-one charge ratio.
* Figure 3. shows four of the cells with negative on the outer tube and only two cells with
positive on the outer tube. This looks entirely intentional to maintain the proper overall
charge ratio in the water bath.
* Figure 4. (schematic) has an oversight on the switch positions which can be corrected by
looking at Figure 3.
* Figure 5. definitely shows the DC bias necessary to promote polarization or the beginning
* Base frequency is quite low -- less than one kilohertz.
* Doesn't appear to push the cell into a high voltage state.
* Stephen actually compresses the output gas up to 80 PSI which I wouldn't think you
would do with highly energetic and volatile monatomic hydrogen mixed with oxygen.
* This device looks to be just an (efficiency) improvement upon typical electrolysis.
* I don't think at this point the dual alternator approach is necessary--three tube sets with
one alternator may be sufficient for testing purposes.
* I will caveat this with the statement that the two alternators must be synchronized.
* Dual alternators may be a way to fine tune the balance, just not sure.
* I'm completely lost as to why Figure 5 shows the plus and minus wave forms a little
skewed from each other.
* I would think these to be exactly symmetrical since they came from the same source
and went through identical circuitry. Charge balancing...? Plate surface area...?
* The dots noted on this plot must be of great importance in tuning.
* Figure 6 is interesting. We don't see this ringing on the output, but we do see it at
the test point T1, which is after the diode, but before the RLC filter, noted in this
patent as an "impedance matching circuit".
* Could this be from the diode slapping open and closed as little burps of charge
work their way to the cells?
* And why every other cycle instead of every cycle?
* We can also see a parametric oscillation here where instead of damping, each
cycle grows larger, but because it's three-phase, we only get three shots before
the cycle starts over.
* I'm not convinced this ringing isn't still happening at the cell, only there it is purely
charge and not voltage that we can measure. There is something very important
about this observation and the fact that Stephen felt it necessary to document in
his patent. More thought required...
* I don't have any idea what input should be given to the exciter winding in the
alternator. Could this be where the ringing is introduced in Figure 6...?
* Could a permanent magnet alternator be used instead...?
* How about a delta configuration...? Would this throw off the charge balance?
* How much load does the alternator place on the prime mover...?
* We see six amp fuses on each phase leg with voltages less than 20, total
wattage couldn't be in excess of 360 watts per alternator. Faraday limit is
right close to 120 watts for one LpM. I'd be very surprised if this unit produced
less than 3 LpM and I would think it to use much less than 360 watts per
alternator. However, no statistics are given in the patent.
* Based on the voltages we see, I'm guessing automotive alternators were used,
but I do not see this to be bounded. There exists custom stators for wind
generation that would produce much higher voltages. I'm guessing with
higher voltage components, this concept could be pushed much farther than
Stephen chose to go with it. If voltage can truly do work on the water, it should
be trivial to up the input voltage and find out.
I do know however that with no input, it should take almost no torque to turn the alternator--a tiny little DC motor should spin it with ease.
I also think with short "nano" pulses, the same affect can be achieved while transferring signal to the "impedance matching circuit". What happens at the cell is still a bit of mystery to me that needs more study.
What interests me about this and the Stan Meyer devices is the isolation between source and cell. If electrostatic charge is a fundamental concept, controlling this charge is something not ordinarily done with common electronics--usually everything is ground referenced.
For these devices, it looks like a common theme that there is a neutral reference somewhere between what we would classify as plus and minus. Stan tended to hide this reference where Stephen explicitly defines it.
True, he didn't hide it in the documentation, but electrically he never had actual electrodes where you would attach a measuring instrument. This is what I mean by "hard to tune". It's like knowing there is a reference point, but no place to actually clip a probe.
Exactly, the zero is dead nuts in the center of the water gap, hard to clip on water.
one thing is clear: water can´t store voltage potential/charge from pulse to pulse (and increase it from there) if it gets down to zero line and below into the negative ... :roll:
And what does that tell you about the DC bias voltage?
It tells me the DC bias is over-ridden by the AC waveform during pulsing, then returns to DC bias during gate off-time. So it would seem gating is mandatory to re-establish polarization between cycles of pulsing.
It would also seem to me that a Tesla coil would be an appropriate mechanism to achieve the fracturing process. Place a DC bias in series with the Tesla coil secondary and WFC, then pulse the primary with moderate to high voltage. If a strong harmonic can be found and optimized in the 22 GHz range, the water molecules should come apart with relative ease.
Referring to PICTURES
All I see here is a pulsed step charged DC voltage, I.E the current, if there was any such flow of electrons that is, wouldn't change direction in this circuit such as it would in an AC circuitn where the potentials (B+ and B-) regularly would change polarity from + to - to + to -, etc etc.
What's referred to as zero voltage, which would be smack in the middle between the tubes/plates as I understand it, could then in other words be compared to the junction point between 2 batteries connected in series (I.E (B+)+...- ( = "zero" ) +...-(B-)).
Unless of course I've completely missed the whole point with all this, which would be just fine of course, in that case I'd have to adapt to quite another way of thinking here and in that case I would be most grateful if someone could be so kind as to point me in the right direction.
My 2C on this is that it's not an alternating waveform, it's more like a pulsed DC wave, I.E as the positive (upper) wave increases in voltage in relation to "zero" (or as I understand it, zero being the imaginary "point" in the middle of the cell cavity) the negative (lower) wave drops equally in voltage and simultaneously timewise, giving a net DC voltage across the cell at all times, or if you like there's no AC voltage across the cell, ever.
That's what it looks like to me anyway, though I may very well be wrong and that would be just fine with me.
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