Water Heater Steam Resonator Stanley Meyer Hydronic

A Hydronic System with Low Amp Water Boiling with vic and tubes

Pictured Above 

are the Stan Meyer Water Heater Boiler  tube cells  they have a outer and inner tube in each, and possibly a foil between ( and maybe not) no one has shown inside yet?

 

The vic switch voltage back and forth on the inner and outer tubers  on each line making water flux but not break bond just heat fast using just cold voltage no amps or very low amps

 

Heat on demand these connect to rest of the hydronic system, which will remove any hho gas that may occur

 

 

10  Arrays of tubes    20 tubes inner and outer  in that system  

Heat/Steam Resonator (element) Stan Meyer style circuit test @ 90VDC, 1A, 1.2 KHzWe are testing this element for the home heating boiler. Heating up 1 liter of water from 15 Celsius to 90 Celsius in 1 second is faster than a magnetron. The element used in this test is "3XXX 3#INCH". We are using a new circuit for this test.What we are doing is testing a circuit at various frequencies and voltages at low amperage to find resonance and to quickly heat the water.The reasons why you would need a "heat resonator" is, for example, to defrost the fuel tank, with water as fuel, in the winter if it is frozen. We would also use the "heat resonator" in a home heating boiler to heat up the water and pump it around the house to have a warm house in the winter. In Europe, we use a lot of propane in the wintertime to warm up our houses.

 

once the VIC works the right way the operational chain of secondary, chokes, diode and electrodes can be doubled and space between both electrodes can be changed. that way no hydrogen is produced and therefore there is no need for an EEC in this application.don´t be fooled by the GND signs - they are isolated so that there is no real GND at all. you can take "Off" as negative potential "B-"the circuit works the following way: each electrode can change

 

it´s state between positive voltage field and "GND".that way ions have to travel around a lot in the water bath heating it up by the way. the true value is the VIC doing it´s voltage potential work with minimum amount of amp flow.both mirror side circuits are operated anti-cyclic.as Meyer said: it´s all about timing

 

i rectified wall power 220v hooked up to a 20cm tube with(2Liters) rain water...i powered it for a ~20 sec then stop again 20sec...for around 1min.Amp draw was 5A but after a min of testing the water was almost hot...seems like voltage heats water too...

 

The Circuit below may not be AC.

 

Since the "Steam resonator" works like a "normal" VIC circuit, except it DUAL (at the same time) swings(flips) voltage polarity between the exciters and has also current limiting circuit.Looking at the "Dual Switchover Circuit" for the "Steam Resonator WFC 427 DA" I noticed a DIODE placed over the SECONDARY COIL.SM talks about PULSING TRANSFORMER, why did he put this in the figure 1-2?Could this be the part that creates UNIPOLAR PULSES used for the Resonant Charging Chokes?

[b] Steam Resonator Memo WFC 430[/b]

 

Steam Resonator Particle Oscillation As An Energy Generator All energy in our physical universe (The third dimension) comes from a singular source ... the atom. There are four basic forces that make up and effect the atomic structure: electrical force, electromagnetic force, weak and strong nuclear forces, and gravity. By either attenuating either one or more of these atomic forces, energy can be release from the atom to perform work in a variety of ways: such as, emitting photon, electromagnetic, or even radiant heat energy;

 

Exposing the water molecule atom (s) to an external electrical attraction force (SS '/RR') separately or combining the external electrical attraction force with an external electrical repelling force (SS'-TT'/RR'-WW') can cause the bipolar electrical charged water molecule atom (s) to release thermal heat energy when physical impact (physical force) is achieved as a result of particle (s) colliding together under electrical stress which becomes and is the physical mover ... causing electron bounce to oscillate the energy aperture of each atom of the water molecule.

 

Voltage Flexing Process Particle oscillation as a "Energy Generator" by way of "physical impact" caused by a singular unipolar voltage pulse wave-form alternately polarity triggered is yet another method beyond the prior art to flex the water molecule to release thermal energy (Kinetic Energy) from the water molecule atom (s) without the need of gas combustion brought about by gas separation from water, as so illustrated in (1050) of Figure (11-5). In order to accomplish this task, dual unipolar voltage pulse circuit (1010) of Figure (11-1) is, now, utilized to deflect (Physical Movement) the bipolar electrically charged water molecule(210) of Figure (3-46) while undergoing and experiencing both physical and electrical stress, simultaneously ... causing atomic flexing of the water molecule atom (s) energy aperture (7) of Figure (5-1) which, in turns, releases radiant thermal heat energy (165) from the atom structure (s), as further illustrated in (450) of Figure (3-46).

 

As applied external opposite electrical attraction forces (S-S') and/or(R-R') as so shown in (1030) of figure (11-3) captures and electrically locks onto either the negative charged oxygen atom or onto the positive charged hydrogen atom (s) ... whichever the case may be, the applied stationary voltage fields (952/E13 – 953/E14) or (954/E15 – 956/E16) alternately switch over periodically superimposes electrical stress forces (S-S' and R - R') onto the energy spectrum of the water molecule atom (s )(210) while physical flexing (951) of Figure (11-5) of the water molecule atom (s) occurs ... disrupting the spin-velocity of Stanley A. Meyer 11-1RE: Steam Resonator Memo WFC 430 water molecule atom (s) orbiting electrons (s) ... f

 

orcing energy Apertures (7) of both unlike atoms of the water molecule (500) of Figure (5-1) and (510) of Figure (5-2) to be momentarily enlarged to a greater size (Particle flexing ... called hereinafter Particle Oscillation), separately but simultaneously ... allowing a greater amount of energy to enter into, travel through, and pass beyond the energy spectrum of each stimulated atom (s), respectfully ... emitting the additive/surplus energy away from the excited atom (s) in the form of radiant thermal heat energy(165) when the flexed atom (s) (undergoing physical/electrical stress) returns to stable state of atomic equilibrium once applied electrical pulse-voltage wave-form (952 953) or (954 - 956) is electrically switch off and permitted to collapse back toward electrical ground state of zero volts (OV).

 

Repetitive formation of pulse voltage fields (952a xxx 952n) - 953a xxx 953n) or (954a xxx 954n- 956a xxx 956n) continues this "Voltage Energized Thermal Transference Effect" (1050) of Figure (11-5) (hereinafter called Atomic Flexing Process) during each and every pulse voltage on-time, as so illustrated by way of gated pulse-voltage waveform (1020) of Figure (11-2). In essence, then, the continued flexing of a liquid or gas atoms being exposed to physical stress (954) by an external electrical attraction force (S-S' IR-R') is, herein, a more effective way to induce and propagate "Particle Oscillation" as an "Energy Generator" since voltage potential of opposite polarity poses a greater "Differential of Potential" over the prior art.

 

(See Memo WFC 429 titled" Optical Thermal Lens" as to Memo WFC 424 titled "Atomic Energy Balance of Water" for further references). VIC Switchover Circuit VIC Switchover Circuit (1010) of Figure (11-1) is utilized to bring about Voltage Flexing Process (1050) by preventing amp influxing into and away from the separate and periodically spaced ( -) voltage zones (E13-EI4 - E15-EI6) of diagram (1030) of Figure (11-3) as to (1010) of Figure (11-1); while, at the same time, allowing voltage potential of opposite electrical attraction forces (S-S' /R-R') to perform work by deflecting the bipolar electrical charged water molecule(210) in a given directional pathway, as so in accordance to/with Coulomb's (EqI2) and Newton's second law of electrical force (Eq13) in an electrical/electronic circuit. When incoming programmable gated pulse-frequency waveform (T4A) of Figure (11-2) electrically energizes primary input coil (957) of Figure (11-3) to produce positive voltage field (952) across voltage zone (EI3), the bipolar electrical charged water molecule having a negative charged oxygen atom is deflected and moved toward stationary positive voltage plate (E13) due to the opposite electrical attraction force (S-S') that exists between both opposite electrically charged entities.

 

Whereas, in like Stanley A. Meyer 11-2RE: Steam Resonator Memo WFC 430 manner and in the same instant of time, stationary negative voltage field (958) attracts and displaces another and totally separate bipolar water molecule in an linear movement since opposite electrical attraction force (R-R') also exists between stationary negative charged voltage plate (953) and the, now, moving positive charged hydrogen atom (s) being electrovalently linked to the negative charged atom.

 

The resultant physical displacement (physical movement) of both separate bipolar water molecule moves relatively at the same displacement velocity since both particle masses of the water molecule (s) are basically identical in volume-size and the electrical intensity on both stationary voltage fields (952/953) are similar due to the fact that both primary coil (957) and secondary coil (958) comprising and forming voltage intensifier circuit (990) of Figure (10-3) are together bifilar wrapped in equal length.

 

The simultaneously formation of both the positive voltage field (952) and the negative voltage field (953) is simply accomplished by the mutual electromagnetic inductance coupling field that is produced between the two bifilar wrapped coils (957/56 - 958/62) when the primary coil (957/56) is electrically energized by incoming voltage pulse train (T4a xxx T4n), as so illustrated in (970) of Figure (10-1). Automatically, the self-inductance coupling (619a xxx 619n) of Figure (7-3) prevents amp influxing [restricting current flow into and away from water bath (68) during each pulsing cycle T4AIT 4B].

 

While, the distributed capacitance (Cda xxx Cdn) of each coil experiencing inductance coupling (619) elevates applied voltage level (Vn) to a higher voltage amplitude (increasing voltage intensity) required to deflect the bipolar water molecule to a given or preselected distance. Voltage intensity (952/953) is, therefore, directly determined by the number of turns of each coil (957/958) as to the applied voltage amplitude of incoming pulse-wave ( ... xxx Vn) (1060) of Figure (11-2c).

 

Voltage intensity as in terms of "Different of Potential" establishes the amount of work performed by the applied "Electrical Stress" to bring about molecule mass displacement of the water molecule in a liquid medium. Electrically energizing Voltage Intensifier (VIC) Circuit (1002), now, causes both bipolar water molecules (1004/1006) to be deflected and displaced in a left-hand movement, as so illustrated in (1030) of Figure (11-3).

 

To reverse direction of the line of travel of the deflecting water molecule from left-hand movement to right-hand movement, another and completely separate Voltage Intensifier VIC-Coil Assembly (1003) of Figure (11-3) is periodically switch-on electrically by alternate voltage pulse waveform (T4B) once first voltage pulse wave-form (T4A) is terminated for a' brief period of time (T3A) ... duplicating the electrical attraction force (S-S'!R-R') as before except both bipolar water molecule (s) (1004/1006) are, now, redirected and deflected in the opposite direction toward voltage fields (956/954), respectfully, as so illustrated in (1030) diagram (B) of Figure (11-3).

Steam Resonator Memo WFC 430

 

This continued and repeated oscillation of the bipolar water molecule (1004/1006) in opposite direction of linear travel (back and forth motion) produces kinetic energy (165) when the moving and deflected bipolar water molecule (1004/1006) or any other bipolar molecule of water interlocking with ever changing electrical attraction forces (S-S' /R-R') collides with neighboring water molecules present in the same water bath (68).

 

Electrically interfacing alternate "Switchover" voltage pulse wave-form (T4A/T4B) to each of both VIC Coil-Array (s) (1002/1003) of Figure (11-3) as schematically depicted, now, forms VIC Switchover Circuit (10lO) of Figure (11-1). Pairing together positive voltage zone (EI3/952) with negative voltage zone (EI6/956) and doing the same with voltage-surfaces (EI4/953) to (EI5/954) as so graphically shown in (lOlO) of Figure (11-1) and each having an longitudinal axis of identical length, now, individually forms what is called hereinafter a "Differential Voltage Wave-guide"(1040) ...

 

being defined as heating water by alternate pulsation of opposite voltage fields at different pulse time-on periods, collectively called "Voltage Switchover Firing Logic (B+/O - B-/O - O/B - O/B+).In Like manner as to linear cylindrical resonant cavity (730) of Figure (7-12), the Differential Voltage Wave-Guide (1040) of (1010) of Figure (11-1) as to Figure (11-6) is constructed in such a way as to allow a smaller tube to be placed inside a much larger tube having space relationship to allow water to pass there between, as so pictorially shown in (170) of Figure (3-25).

 

The constructed tubular-Array is composed of T304 stainless steel material, or any equivalent thereof, which is chemically inert to the voltage deflecting process (lO50) of Figure (11- 5). The electrical conductivity of the stainless steel material T304 and the dielectric properties of water (water being an insulator to the flow of amps) both together sets up electrical conduction zone (587) which aids the ability of the voltage pulse waveform (T4a xxx T4n) and/or (T4ba xxx T4bn),

 

whether be it positive or negative in electrical polarity, to be electrically transmitted and linearly displaced along the longitudinal axis of the inner side walls adjacent to water bath (68), as so illustrated in (1040) of Figure (11-4). This phenomenon of transferring voltage waveforms along an electrical conductive surface is known in the field of physics as the Skin Effect. The dielectric value of water (78.54) inhibits amp leakage into the water bath ..

 

. preventing distortion of the reoccurring and traveling voltage waveforms (T4Aa xxx T4AnI T4Ba xxx T4Bn). The resultant pulsating electrical stress (S-S' /R-R) penetrates the liquid bath of water since the water bath takes on an electrical charge when the rotational spin (1019) of the water molecule (s) occurs to bring about bipolar alignment of the water molecule comprising water bath (68) Stanley A. Meyer 11-4RE:

 

Steam Resonator Memo WFC 430 during each and every reversing voltage pulsing cycle (B+/O - B-/O - OIB+ - OIB-), as so illustrated in (650) of Figure (7-4). Not only does the alternate first gated voltage pulse (B+/O - B-/O) and then the second gated voltage pulse (OIB+ - OIB-) oscillates the bipolar water molecule (s) back and forth in rapid succession to produce heated water at a predetermined temperature level on demand; but, also, deflects the oscillating bipolar water molecule in an upward direction since the reforming voltage pulse waves are always in a state of progressive movement of linear displacement .

 

.. performing the same function as a water pump ... a water pump, however, not having any mechanical moving parts to wear out. Varying the gated pulse-width (T4AfT4B), attenuating voltage amplitude (xxx Vn), and the Switchover pulse frequency rate (Sopr), collectivity determines the rate by which the water temperature rises as the water medium (68) travels through the Differential Voltage Wave-Guild (1040), as so illustrated in (1060) of Figure (11-2) as to (1040) of Figure (11-6).

 

Electrical Crossover Switching Circuit To reduce the number of Voltage Intensifier VIC-Circuit to the use of only one VIC Coil Assembly (1002) while encouraging the utilization of using a Voltage Repelling Force (W - W') and/or (TT'), Electrical Crossover Circuit (1060) of Figure (11-7) is, now, electrically placed between VIC-Coil Assembly (1003) and both Differential Voltage Wave-Guilds (1030N1030B), as so illustrated in (1050) of Figure (11-7). The Electrical Crossover Switching Circuit (1060) singularly places either a Positive Voltage Potential (1014) across both Voltage Zones (E 181E14) and/or a Negative Voltage Potential across Voltage Zones (EI71E16) or vise versa. In doing so, Electrical Repelling Forces (T-T') and (W-W'), now, exerts a "Pushing Effect" onto the already deflecting water molecules (1017/1018) since like electrical forces repel or push away from one another in a strictly physical manner. In terms of operational parameters, Electrical Attraction Force (S-S' IR-R') and Repelling Forces (T-T'IW-W') can be applied simultaneously or applied in a time sequence of events as Electrical Crossover Switch Circuit (1060) reverses the voltage polarity from one Differential Voltage Wave-Guild (1040B) to another and completely separate Differential Voltage Wave- Guild (1

 

040A) of similar or like configuration ... performing Voltage Switchover Logic Functions (B+/B+/1030B - B-IB-/1030A Switchover B-IB-/1030B - B+IB+/1 030A) of Figure (11-7) during each and every sequential voltage pulsing cycle (T4A - T4B - T4A - T4B and so on). When (B+IB+ - B-IB-/1030B) switch function is activated, switch terminals (T1/T2 - T3/T4) are closed. Switch position (T1/T4 - T3/T2) reverses voltage Stanley A. Meyer 11-5RE: Steam Resonator Memo WFC 430 polarity once switch function (T1/T2 - T3/T4) goes to close position after Switch Logic Function (1013) becomes an open circuit ...

 

and then vice versa and so on in an repetitive format ... causing "Particle Oscillation" as a "Energy Generator" by way of "Physical Stress" undergoing pulsating "Electrical Stress" whenever pulse switching cycles (1060) is electrically activated by incoming trigger pulse frequency (1019/T4a xxx 1019/T4n), as so illustrated in (1050) of Figure (11-7). Oscillating the bipolar water molecule by way of opposite voltage fields without amp influxing to heat water on demand, hereby, defmes the "Mode of Operability" of the WFC Steam Resonator.STANLEY MEYERThe Inventor :)

 

Radar Modulation

remember the VIC inductor is better known as a line type modulator 

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The meyer graphic above  is just showing 2 VIC

that is switched back and forth,

 

to make the water vibrate and warm up due to friction. he shows the circuit flip flops back and forth.

what is not shown here is the flip flop has a space in between each flip and flop.

 

so the circuit is more in depth then what he showed.

You Can Build it PLease Share your Builds we are !! danieldonatelli@hotmail.com

below is a  circuit from valyonpz youtube video ( I realise there were some issue with him? on the forum in the past) but for a novice ( i.e. me) these circuits seem to be a good place to start to figure out a replication. This circuit seems to be related to the switching circuit board.

and this one from valyonpz might be related to the pulsing circuit using optocouplers as in stans memo

and heres a pic of stans control unit showing steam resonator control board 
( which appears identical to the resonant cavity control sections)...suggesting either it uses same pulse circuit for steam res as the resonant cavities ( hho tubes) or he just used the same control panel for steam res for convenience ( I would guess its using same pulse circuit as stans work was very clean/finished design).

one more pic showing two connections for steam resonator on the resonant cavity,

so is it possible to reverse engineer/replicate stans water heater from this information?
Is there enough information to do it?
I realise their are two videos on the net showing replications ( waterenergy1 and irondmax) but seems no detailed information with the vids that would aid reverse engineering).
There are other threads on other forums on this topic but seems no-one has given a replicatible circuit. I've included valyonpz circuits as they the only ones I've been able to find that are related to replicating what evidence there is of stans device.

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there is another view of steam res switching board with coil attached

in this pic I've added some dots which represent unknown connections
2 purple dots = two earthing? wires been cut
2 red dots = two thick red wires cut
4 green dots = transistor earth wires been cut
1 red dot (bottom of fuse) /one black dot ( bottom right in pic)= wire connections unknown

pic attached reverse engineered circuit someone? posted, some missing bits included
fuse and two red wires unattached at top of fuse
bottom  of fuse red wire not attached
4 green earths not attached to anything
2 purple dots earth? wires cut
The rectifying diode suggests an ac current was being changed to dc before going into the primary
( possibly from alternator three phase output?) but where was the pulsing dc being produced i.e tank circuit with resonant frequency, was that even used in this circuit?

close up view showing heatsink pad had previously been used behind the transistors,
now each transistor is just heatpaste so each has centretap connected to aluminium backplate.
Poses the question, has stan modified the circuit to be simpler after building it, which may explain the two red wires not connected to transistors or has he deliberatley removed the heatsinks to make reverse engineer more difficult?


apparently the device i've been posting on, its simply the power supply for the steam resonator,
it converts 12v to 240v.............doh!
that would mean the optocoupler circuit he gives attached would be the thing to concentrate efforts on, he makes note at end of video about pulsing timing.

apparently the device i've been posting on, its simply the power supply for the steam resonator,
it converts 12v to 240v.............doh!
that would mean the optocoupler circuit he gives attached would be the thing to concentrate efforts on, he makes note at end of video about pulsing timing.

I think that the 12v/240v converter is also switching between coils, one coil on the other coil off,
the optocoupler driven by dual 555 circuit or similar same as the resonant cavity cells, 
and bifilar? chokes also. Interesting the water bath used as earth so any time one plate is not powered. I think valyonpz may well be correct, i'm not electronics expert so maybe some other guys here can figure out circuit component parts/values so that it can be built?

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The pair of transistors appear to be darlington optocouplers like these:
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/314

But the resistors in the schematic look wrong.  Maybe the circuit is entirely designed to do something else.

 

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its definitely a h-bridge circuit ( seems they are used for dc/ac sinewave inverters and dc motor controllers)
I'm very much a novice on this, but the signal to control the transistors can have two parts, one for pwm and the other for gating? I'll do some more work on matching stans built circuit and matching it to valyonpz circuits, I think he is on the right track.

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Always remember me on that circuit. Look at the hot water switch....
 

thnx for posting haven't seen that circuit, 
the transistors ( sk3181a/sk3180) first is 40v, second one is 80v, they seem to be connected to the high voltage coil wires, if they are stepped up from 12v to 240v by 20:1 from primary to secondary they seem to be underrated for the voltage?

 

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Hey. The circuit is in an old patent of Stanley Meyer.
You see no charging chokes or whatever. 
It looks like a voltage selector, in the patent is descripted, that the hot water switch activated higher voltages. 

Maybe some pre designe of the Steam Resonator. 

Maybe not a converter to 120V/230V, but to 70 or 60 or something like that. The amperage would be much too high with 120V. I tried this several times.

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just messing with reverse engineering stans hbridge:
put some coloured lines on these two diagrams ( and labelled the transistors in detail)
first diagram is what stan built, second picture is matching it to valyonpz h-bridge diagram
( very difficult to go any further unless the transistors are insulated from the aluminium plate that is putting all the collectors of transistors onto a common electrical connection, still plenty of mystery to solve on this one)

 

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came across a circuit called a 'transverter' it appears very similar to  stans built part of steam resonator, also has a scope shot see bottom of this page
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Transverter

very similar to the pics amsy posted previously ( the circuit of stans that includes switch for 
hot water or furnace), this would seem to confirm the circuit can switch polarity.

 

 a closer look at what had been labelled as 'resistors' on an interpretation of stans board,
you can see the thick windings under the black heat shrink/plastic, so they are inductors rather than resistors, so max millers interpreation of this being a power supply board might be correct?

If those are chokes, where did the 220ohm measurement come from? if measured from the "chokes" they must be wire wound power  resistors, because you can't find a choke like that with that high of resistance. The fuse is your power coming into the circuit, the chassis is ground, and those transistors don't have the collectors connected to the heat sinks internally, so heat sink pads not issue (metal mounting screws would be an issue too, so  nylon screws would be used because non-conductive). lastly, what you think is the cell output, looks like the primary center tap to me(either normal center tap or bucking coil center tap), and that rec bridge you think is connected to alternator is really the cell output. In his schematics he shows another switch on the HV positive side, but most likely the primary switching accomplishes the same kind of  signal on the secondary, from the primary "switching noise" which normally would be smoothed out with a capacitor on the output :                           (Kept It Simple, Stan) .

push pull converter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push%E2%80%93pull_converter


Transformerless Push-Pull

http://www.learnabout-electronics.org/Amplifiers/amplifiers54.php

 

Class AB power amplifier. (P.S. We don't need to worry about "cross over" distortion with DC pulses!))

http://www.circuitstoday.com/class-b-power-amplifiers

http://s12.postimg.org/5u6ucorf1/20150826_143648_1.jpg

Also note: If his memo's mention "amp restriction" than the primary most definitely bucking coil arrangement.

But easy enough to test once you have it set up on your bench.

 

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and heres a pic of stans control unit showing steam resonator control board 
( which appears identical to the resonant cavity control sections)...suggesting either it uses same pulse circuit for steam res as the resonant cavities ( hho tubes) or he just used the same control panel for steam res for convenience ( I would guess its using same pulse circuit as stans work was very clean/finished design).

Looking at this just now, and I now think what I was calling  the center tap, is really the feedback coil. The card has a "lock" LED for resonance just like the VIC, so would have same circuit for that part also.This makes more sense to me with the full "push pull" style driver .
 :cool:

 

Ok, based off of studying Stan's schematic for the VIC driver, this one I just drew up for the steam resonator should work quite nicely!

http://s29.postimg.org/mpuo24mx3/20150826_192207_1.jpg

Use a separate 10volt supply through a volt regulator to switch driver, don't use the same 12v driving the coil because a HV spike may fry a transistor in the amplifier's input. 

 

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thanks davey oneness for looking over the steam resonator, its my understanding that the 220ohmn value came from somenone who measured the 220ohmn on stans device shown in the pics. I cant remember who it was, but someone had access to what was left of stans estate though a fair bit got sold to a company ( not that long ago). 
Thats amazing you can understand it, and actually give a circuit that will be testable.
There was one other issue: how it is connected to the water bath, from memory its different to the wfc stainless tubes, which just have inner/outer tube connections. I think the steam resonator had three connections ( someone else might chime in on that ?), I'm really not sure on that, but there was some discussion on how its connected to the water.
My electronics knowledge is not all that advanced, so very much appreciate your input to assist making steam resonator ( heater) circuit replicable.
So would you say the purpose of the circuit is rapid switching of direction of flow of electrons ( or in stans case rapid switching of the voltage polarity with low amp draw), would you think the circuit I was trying to reverse engineer ( with only basic electronics knowledge) is designed to rapidly heat water? Some had suggested this was merely a power supply and not involved in water heating?
I think you have made a large contribution to understanding this bit of meyers work.

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The triac network selects the higher through lower voltages from the secondary winding taps (your throttle control for heat), In this picture, the transformer is fed with 60hz AC, and the rectifier bridge turns that into HVDC, and then the SCR pulses it to the plates.
In the one I just reversed engineered, you can see the switching on the primary that the HV SCR would be doing, and the signal through the bridge rectifier would produce the same pulsing to the plates from what would be called "DC Ripple"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripple_%28electrical%29


Lastly, the amp restriction in these was done by using stainless steal wire for the secondary (high resistance) looking at the secondary winding before, the way it is sectioned, the winding may reverse direction every little section to act like the bucking coil chokes on the VIC. BUT NOTE, the transformer from the estate we are using as ref, looks like plain old copper magnet wire!  It may also be possible to use a normal transformer with the bucking chokes set up at the plates like on the VIC. 
Oh, and the dune buggy had a plastic water tank, so no case grounding. I think the case ground was for a dual plate, and this one I RE is an alternating single plate. 

And one last thing, I don't think the signal is gated like on the VIC , it shows it in this picture, but was watching this video on using resonance to explode virus (like rife) and he specifically stated, that without a gating frequency the samples would just heat up and not explode. 

Stan's control panels have no controls for adjusting duty cycles for ANY of the cards, in the same virus video, He said all the successful resonant shattering had one thing in common, the main freq was the 11th harmonic of the Gating frequency! So no need to adjust that, just tune the main freq, and the gate is automatically adjusted to harmonically match !

Stanley Meyer Water Heater 

Stan went on to use thise technolofy to design a Home Boiler Water Heater Unit Protype

I have Picture one version above which is similar but does not employ Stanley Meyer tech.

If you would like to help work on this technology we can co operate and provide this unit above

to adapt Stan Tech too it.  

 

 

Below was Added from ONe of the Forum Chats 

 

2017 we are still pursing and trying to get close to fully understanding this DC Flip flop Heater 

 

Read on Save and Share. Please back up eveyr thing it will be gone one day 

I wonder if the up-side-down letter B next to voltage zone E14 has any meaning?  I start to wonder if Stan left hidden meanings in his work.  Either that or its just a typo. :)

Good job haxar to have opened that thread!

the steam resonator is a follow up project of the WFC application. once the VIC works the right way the operational chain of secondary, chokes, diode and electrodes can be doubled and space between both electrodes can be changed. that way no hydrogen is produced and therefore there is no need for an EEC in this application.

don´t be fooled by the GND signs - they are isolated so that there is no real GND at all. you can take "Off" as negative potential "B-"

the circuit works the following way: 

each electrode can change it´s state between positive voltage field and "GND".

that way ions have to travel around a lot in the water bath heating it up by the way. the true value is the VIC doing it´s voltage potential work with minimum amount of amp flow.

both mirror side circuits are operated anti-cyclic.

as Meyer said: it´s all about timing :-)

bussi04

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Nice results...90w to heat up 1 liter to 90c in a second??
Who is working on that? do we know any newer result of the device?

On second thought looking over this, I don't think R1 and R4 are used, and 470 ohm maybe best for R2 and R3

 

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Stan using a pull down trigger to pulse the driver, is like having a loaded spring with a hair trigger release and a rapid recoil reset. As opposed to the way everyone has been trying to trigger all their FE circuits, which is more akin to kicking in the trigger with your foot and the primitive trigger mechanism drags across itself, and the spring, adding losses in its recoil speed and power output......then you can only go so fast, and when you do try doing it too fast, the whole operation gets unstable quickly........

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I understand now why the plates of the steam resonator are also stainless even though no hho is present.

 

This is the same reason he uses stainless steal in his secondary windings, it is for the resistance!

"In a non-electrolytic capacitor and electrolytic capacitors with solid electrolyte the metallic resistance of the leads and electrodes and losses in the dielectric cause the ESR. "
Equivalent  series resistance (ESR)

Capacitors in electronics fail over time because the electrolyte (conductive part) dries up and the ESR goes up and it heats up (causing the ESR to go higher) from ripple currents hitting it (sound familiar?) until the gasses from the heat expand enough to explode the capacitor!
GPS, can you weigh-in on this thought.  I remember you saying resistance is critical.

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Referenced here for thought 

I too am fascinated by Meyer's ability to superheat water using voltage and not current.
We CAN DO THIS! 
Keep up the good work all. 
I am working on extracting the circuit from the pics of the home steam heater unit.
Wish me luck.
What threw me for a loop is the bridge rectifier on the 'steam resonator' transformer heatsink.
It sure does look like a power supply setup, but why were there complementary transistors there - PNP and NPN?
We know the following from that picture:

The Collectors of the two PNP transistors are tied together, and go to a black wire that has been cut.
The emitters of one of the NPN and PNP transistors (the pair to the left) go through a 220 ohm resistor and then tie together to the coil.
The emitters of the transistor pair to the right do the same.
The base connections on all transistors have been cut.
It is almost like an h-bridge of some type, but this is not certain.

 How were you able to find out they were 220 Ohm resistors?

Also,
The H bridge is the same conclusion TonyW and I have accepted after he mentioned it a while back.
It is also why I am confused that stan didn't just use use a push pull circuit at the primary coil?
Also, each Steam Resonator coil has at least 3 seperate coils. It looks like 1 primary and 2 secondary coils.
The plates of the steam resonator do not form a capacitor, they are merely plates in the water in which the current flows through along with the voltage wave. I already have the driving circuit down and wokring, I am currently trying to find a coil which I think could perform the operation of the steam resonator. I think the coil is about the same as the VIC only without the negative choke.

 

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.I think I know know why Stan made the flip-flop circuit on the secondary side instead of the Primary side. If he would have make the flip-flop on the Primary side, it would mess up the resonance, by placing it on the Secondary side it allows resonance to continue during the process. what do you think about this?

Also, the FWB rectifier is connected to the output of the Steam Resonator transformer.

 

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If you have figured out the driver circuit, please enlighten the rest of us.
The resistors match exactly with the 220 ohm resistors on Stan's other vic circuits and photos. He seems to like using 220 ohm resistors with his coils for some reason. Tony & waterfreak 

Thanks for the input, the more sides we look at this the better we will all understand it....

I'm still contemplating if resonance was used in the steam resonator circuit? Looking at the home heating unit each switching transistor had a diode which would prevent any series resonance. Also, the steam resonator tubes do not act as a capacitor. If there is resonance it would have to be one of the coils resonating. 

Note that in the buggy steam res VIC there were several high watt resistors. I think they were used to limit current but also protect the transistors in case the switching overlapped. The home heating unit used a huge core. Look at how thick the laminations were built up to! This was made for some serious inductance. Imo the inductive reactance of the coil performs current limiting. From my studies I think the circuit is similiar to the VIC, only without a negative choke.


Meyer states in a News Release that the steam resonator is an offshoot of the VIC....In all the diagrams and explanations in the TB resonance is not mentioned. One might think that the term 'resonator' implies resonance but that is a different kind of resonance. When referring to resonant cavities or waveguides the resonance is not the same thing as resonance within a circuit.


Waterfreak...

I should have actually called it the switching circuit, not the driving circuit. I designed a switching circuit on multisim which is very basic. It consists of a 555, a counter, and an RS flip flop to turn on and off the polarity switching transistors. Anyone who knows electronics can easily design something similiar.

And the plastic tape between the windings, that's no secret. It's just insulation for the coils. It's common in most transformers. Likely kapton tape or something similiar. 

UPDATE: Just got a PM from Don after asking him about the VIC card for the steam resonator. Don said the card was identical to the other VIC cards. So resonance was used in the Steam Resonator. This brings up more questions??? 
With the microcontroller used in the home heating unit it may also have used resonance....

 

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HMS, thanx for the nfo.
I believe you are correct in your assumptions.
As far as the vic board being identical to the other resonant cavity control boards, they may have looked identical, but I wonder if all parts of the board were actually used?
Many of Stan's boards have wire bridges, etc., and I wonder if he only used part of the board in the steam resonator.
I do not think he used resonance in the steam setup, but I could be wrong.
Here's a hand-drawn diagram of the steam resonator circuit someone made on another forum - I found it here:

http://stansdream.com.ru/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=6e0402099017ae0ee0717d8aa83348b0&topic=4.0

Does it look like a polarity switching circuit to you?
As far as the picture from the home heating unit HMS, it could be a simple power supply transformer, supplying power for the unit.
I don't know - the wires and the transformer itself appear to be professionally made standard step-down xfmr to me.
Your guess is as good as mine.

But, if you look at the control board, you will see Stan used two transistors in pairs - NTE247(NPN) and NTE248(PNP), which are silicon complementary transistors.
He also used NPN and PNP pairs in the steam resonator vic we are discussing.
There is a common thread here, if we expand on it and follow it more closely, I believe.
I really want to get this working - It's cold here!
Plus, how many people could use a water heater that does not use tons of amps? 

Something else I found interesting is the home heating unit board itself - it has the filename "WFCDRIVR.CKT" silkscreened on it.
If someone had access to this file, it would reveal a lot. I'm sure it was on one of the computers that was with the estate.
Also, on the control board, you will see the silkscreen says "24VAC".
The transformer appears to have 7 wires (that we can see).

HMS, your assumption of the coil having a secondary with bifilar chokes seems to be supported by the patent diagram.
Notice also the chokes (only) have a common core. In other parts of the patent, Stan states the coil is "together bifilar wrapped in equal length".
There is a mention of "resonant charging chokes".

 

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BTW I think you are right about the coil...There is an aftermarket power supply (note pic below on the right side) attached to the home heating unit which runs off of +24V.

I have also noticed Meyer stated the primary and secondary coils are bifilar wrapped equal in length, but he also states in the same TB section that the voltage is directly related to the turns ratio "Voltage intensity is directly related to the number of turns of each coil..." (TB p11-3).

Attached is a multisim replication of the crossover circuit. As you can see it's similiar to an H bridge circuit. R5 represents the steam resonator....Please note that the values of the resistances and transistors are not correct. I have been changing values to see the different effects and take measurements. The waveform shows the polarity switching. When transistors Q1 and Q3 are switched on the polarity across R5 will be in one direction, when transistors Q2 and Q4 are switched on the polarity will reverse. As you can also see there is a brief period between polarity switching. This is also shown in the Tech Brief.

In the waveform a DC voltage was applied across the circuit. When a coil is used the coil can be pulsed faster than the switching and then the waveform will represent what is shown in the tech brief.

 

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I have a few ideas of my own based on what info and pics we have seen. I built robots many years ago and to drive the motors I designed H bridges for forward and reverse and used PWM (pulse width modulation) to control the speed, but give full power.

 

I’ll see if I can dig up the circuits I used. If I can get it working, think of this: Take a standard 30 gal electric water heater, build a “Steam Resonator” element to replace the 220 volt element. Hot water using a fraction of the power needs.

 

The only thing I would worry about is leaching of chromium from the stainless. Would run some test before I hooked it into my house. It also would not be a major retrofit to replace my 5 ton propane furnace with a hot water heat system. As for now, I’m just trying to find time to work on the 5 coil VIC stuff.

 

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Tony Woodside 

This is a circuit I built back last year that does the same as the Steam Resonator circuit.

not sure why its not working for you, I use distilled water for all my testing. You have to have two signals, one is the resonant frequency signal and the other is the gating signal.
 have breadboarded it twice, and this is all I get at the output before the transformer.
One channel stays on all the time (or the frequency is too high on one of the sig gens - two 555 timer circuits)
Wouldn't it be easier to use just one sig gen and invert it instead of two?
This circuit's output is not clean at all, very noisy.
Also, you must have used tap water in your test cell and not distilled?
I am using distilled to ensure I get no electrolysis, but cannot get it to do anything.
I do get small bubbles when I use another circuit which puts out around 450VAC (flyback driver circuit)...

 

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Thanks for the info Tony.
It looks good in theory, but in reality that circuit does not work.
The Meyer waveform, I believe, should be channel A on, then both channels off, then channel B on, then both channels off, etc.

 


When breadboarded, your circuit only produces short spikes which occur at the same time.
Also, shouldn't there be a diode on the secondary of the output coil?
We have to start somewhere - I need to determine the relationship of the two complementary transistor driver circuit.
I think this may hold the key.
We can generate khz square waves quite easily with 555 timers.

Wow, thanks for that info.
The waveform I get is channel A is on 4x as long as channel B.
At least it does alternate now though.
I still do not get anything happening at the cell though.
Right now I am so frustrated I think the only way to get the water to do anything is to drive two 40kv flyback transformers on and off and shock the water with it.
I'm sure that may cause an effect of some type ;)

All the other things I have tried have failed, and I think the voltage just isn't enough.
What kind of transformer are you using - a step-up?
I used a primary of approx. 600 turns to a secondary of 3500 turns - no effect.
I also tried a primary of approx. 600T and secondary of 5500 turns - no effect.
I also tried with and without a diode on the secondary - no effect.
It's no wonder most people say this is all bunk - so far, it appears to be.
The average experimenter would have given up on all this decades ago.
If only we had Stan's devices to examine...

I think that's because it's like what Steve Meyer said "It's a tuned system". If a single one of the many different parameters of the circuit are not correct it will not work....At least for the VIC and resonant cavity....Not sure if the steam resonator is the same. The use of the driving circuitry of the steam resonator coil being identical to the resonant cavity driving circuitry seems to suggest i

Circuit explained:
 
The transistors are configured as an H-bridge.
This series of transistors will take 400 volts.
T1 is a 1:10 step-up. T2 is the choke coils bifilar wrapped similar to the 8XA.
The bridge diodes should act as the blocking diode.
The CD4047 will deliver a near perfect 50/50 pulse.
The only thing I’m not sure of is the value of the bias resistors for the transistors,
and the overall frequencies.
I plan on winding the coils on a large ferrite U core, probably with 18 gauge wire.

 

http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2292.88.html

 

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I think Meyer's water heating is more along the lines of using electrostatic forces to cause oscillation, about the same way a microwave does. Personally I think those patents are right on, but they don't provide any diagrams. The explanation they give though fits right in with Meyer's. I think the only difference is Meyer used resonance to reduce the power requirements.

Don stated the steam resonator driver circuit was the exact same as all the circuits used to drive the resonant cavities.
From the picture we know the steam resonator VIC (the buggy one) had 3 seperate coils, so we have a primary coil, a secondary coil, and a pulse pickup coil. 

I tend to think the primary coil is the one connected to the FWB since it is the heaviest gauge. And the secondary coil is connected to the NPN/PNP transistors. The connections from the transistors to the steam resonator tubes are not there. I think the wire ends not connected to anything are the pulse pickup coil. I think the FWB may have been used to protect the primary driving transistor from HV spikes but in that case I wonder why regular diodes weren't just used?

 

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If you look at the theories behind Peter Davey's technology, it revert back to my theory of Meyer's and Puharich's tech of the "beat" phenomenon where 2 frequencies are merged to give a new frequency or AM signal. Tony Wood Side

 

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Yeah I did notice that but I'm not understanding it???
What purpose does the amplitude modulation serve?
(I have to add also that I have got amplitude modulation in some of Meyer's VIC matrix circuit multisim replications)

 Tony Wood Side

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What kind of transformer would be best - a step-up?
I know Stan had two different resonators - one had 4 conductors, the other had only two.
From what I've learned about the AM signal is that it acts as a Wave–particle duality. This vibrates the molecule!

 

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From what I've learned about the AM signal is that it acts as a Wave–particle duality. This vibrates the molecule! Tony Wood Side 

What kind of transformer would be best - a step-up?
I know Stan had two different resonators - one had 4 conductors, the other had only two.
The waveforms appear to be correct now, but nothing happens at the cell regardless of what you do.

The greatest mystery is - what goes between the output of the circuit and the cell - a diode on the secondary?
Perhaps a diode needs to be added to the output of the circuit before the transformer?
Also, how long did your cell take to heat up the water at all?
Are the signal inputs actually 5V or 12V? Tony Wood Side

Ok I think I understand....

So are you saying the molecule vibration is the "resonant action" (particle oscillation) that Meyer talks about?

From everything I've read between Meyer and Puharich, I would have to say Yes! :-)

 

Here are the connections.


FULL CREDIT TO TONY WOODSIDE AWESOME STUFF

 

Thanks for the clarification.
I will input 5V square waves and see what happens.
The transformer - it looks like a 1:1 - is that right?
Also, wouldn't some diodes be needed on the output to cut down the back EMF and 
to protect the TIP120's, or is that what we are after?

I will try a few different ones to see which works best.
Wouldn't it be great if I could get some hot water!!

Interesting water-gap!
Stan Meyer 0.0950 inch = 2.4 millimeters
Peter Davey 0.0826 inch = 2.1 millimeters

Looks like Peter used "Three" frequencies: 350, 49, 1000Hz
So there must be a "key note" for the water molecule and use this fundamental frequency and put harmonic on it or enharmonic ?
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1305.msg22201.html#msg22201

Note:
If you have a fundamental frequency (sinewave) and then put a harmonic (sinewave) on the fundamental we get a new shape.

"There are several important aspects to this new shape. 
First, its shape is not a simple sine wave, so it will sound richer than just a pure tone. 
Second, even though the shape is different, the period and frequency are the same as the fundamental above. 
This is very important, because it means that the pitch stays the same. 
So, now we can see the connection between shape, harmonics and tone quality. 
If add harmonics to the fundamental, we change the shape of the wave, but not its pitch, so this gives us a way of independently controlling the tone quality without affecting the pitch. It does not matter if we add a wave at 3f, 7f, or 32f. The shape will change but the pitch will not."

Br,
Webmug

Circuit explained:
 
The transistors are configured as an H-bridge.
This series of transistors will take 400 volts.
T1 is a 1:10 step-up. T2 is the choke coils bifilar wrapped similar to the 8XA.
The bridge diodes should act as the blocking diode.
The CD4047 will deliver a near perfect 50/50 pulse.
The only thing I’m not sure of is the value of the bias resistors for the transistors,
and the overall frequencies.
I plan on winding the coils on a large ferrite U core, probably with 18 gauge wire.

 

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The last thing I am trying to understand is if the steam resonator tubes were part of an open circuit or a closed circuit. A transformer will still provide voltage in an open circuit. One of Meyer's drawings shows the tubes connected to ground making a complete circuit so I'm not sure. Or does the water act as a ground?

What do you guys think?

Re: Figuring out the Steam Resonator

Yes, this is confusing to me also HMS, Stan's document shows a separate ground for an optional 'heat resonator'?
The ground seems to be separate from that of the primary and driving circuitry.
I have built that circuit with many variations, and got no results. 
I believe Stan left something out intentionally, for patent reasons.

Below is a pic from my scope using Tony's alternating dc circuit which is supposed to heat the water, but so far the only thing it heats is the two 220 ohm resistors, and they get HOT!
The scope is connected at the secondary of the transformer, across the cell.
Water is distilled. Scope is set to 5V / div, so the signal amplitude is approx. 20V.

I am certain the fault lies somewhere in my transformer construction, which only Tony knows how to build correctly.
My transformer consists of approx. 600 turns 29AWG magnet wire primary and 3000 turns 29AWG magnet wire secondary, on a ferrite rod with permeability of 200.

It can't be anything else, because the waveforms and circuit seem to be working correctly...

I am not giving up though - each day you fail is one day closer to success!

That waveform is exactly what I'm seeing in my multisim designs as well.
If you remove those high ohm resistors the waveform will become more square.
But you probably need a higher secondary inductance to limit the current in a way which does not dissipate so much power and mess up the waveform.

 

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HMS, the scope reading is from Tony's circuit with the TIP120 transistors, and there are no high value resistors in the circuit...

 

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Here is a link to a pdf I think some of you may find interesting...

http://bloq.computerworld.pl/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/czajnik.pdf

 

backup of doc here 

 

 

Bubz,

Nice find! It is interesting in that the document refers to frequencies that affect the water molecule. 
I believe the steam resonator is not as specific as the resonant cavity unit though, as it only needs to pulse two plates alternately + then - in sequence.
I believe our issues lie in the transformer design. The only ones I know who have been successful are Tony and Don, to some degree.
I am not aware of any others who claim to have the steam resonator working, or to have heated water any other way aside from electrolysis.
I will try augus' circuit and see if I get better results than with Tony's resistor heater!

Augus: Is the 1khz source in your diagram from another external 1khz source or is it the 4047 listed in the circuit? Tony Wood Side

 

The title of this video is misleading, but, what is really being shown is how water can be heated with a resonant cavity and without an alternating electric field. 

Why do you say that Sebosfato?

It seems to me the SM has 3 coils. Primary, secondary, pulse pickup. The pulse pickup coil is used witht the PLL circuit to detect and lock on to the self resonance of the secondary coil. At the secondary coils self resonance it becomes a parallel tank circuit which has a nearly infinite impedance. Rectify the output since the parallel tank creates AC (rectifiers shown at each switching transistor on the home heating unit) and switch the transistors at high speed to change the polarity across the tubes and you heat the water in the same fashion as a microwave.

There's probably more to it than that, as we have discovered about most of Meyer's work but for now that's my understanding.....

 

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o, from what I have learned there are a few ways you can build the steam resonator.
-You can use Tony's circuit which is kinda like a halfbridge driver.
-You can build a fullbridge driver to switch the polarity at the primary coil
-Or you can switch the polarity directly at the resonator.

Switching the polarity at the secondary side (directly at the resonator) gives the most flexibility as this way you can drive the coil at a constant frequency. This way changing the switching frequency will not change the impedance of the coil, and you can switch the polarity as fast as you want. I'm not sure if Meyer used 'Dead time' between switching or if that was why he had those high watt resistors to prevent the short circuit during the swictching overlap. The Tech Brief diagrams do show dead time though. Trying to figure out how to add it to the driving circuit???

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I never said it worked as far as converting water into steam. I just said this was a circuit I made and tested that does the flip-flop to the input signal. I used the 220 ohm resistors to limit current in the circuit, but they aren't needed...you can replace the 220 resistors with a wire if you'd like. But once again, I never claimed the circuit produced steam, if it did them we would also have all the WFC tech working properly, since the steam resonator is a spin-off technology of the WFC.

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Yes, but you mentioned it did heat water.
Any heat would ne nice, as long as it is no only the resistors that get flame!
I will try with different resistor values on he TIPs also.
Thanks for updating

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I said if it acts like AC power, then it should heat water. As in if you take 120vac mains voltage and feed it directly to your cell, it will heat water very fast.

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