Vic Style 2 Stanley Meyer Wiki

 

This Vic Version is a more advanced and robust design. 

Stanley Meyer used it to dive the WaterFuel Injectors.  the design just a upgrade to get better performance on the injectors faster charge up times. As each bobbin space will act like a voltage multiplier when the pulse is switched off and the figure 10-4 transformer added 13 more bobbin spaces to the voltage multiplying effect.

 

It is being tested to see if it can be used on the Electrolyzer but it main purpose was for the Water Spark Injectors and runs very high KV Ranges. 

 

The Core is a Iron Low Carbon Steel laminated core 

 

 

If you notice that all Stan's VIC is all ways surrounded by aluminum. I'm sure it has to do with shielding. But there could be another reason. This can be seen in Tesla work. Aluminum increases the capacitance in the coils.

 

That's why at the end of a Tesla coil you have a aluminum dome on top, it increases the capacitance of the coil. Food for thought! ;)I´m not that sure about that:

 

http://www.mikrocontroller.net/attachment/160802/1151463626.pdf page 10 says that aluminum casing preserves magnetic properties of the core. something to be tested out, maybe it influences the bifilar effect or something special not usual in industrial production ..

 Vic 2 Laminated Iron Core

Can try non carbonised Core.

Vic 2 PLastic Bobbin

3d Printer Files  Section

Vic 2 Aluminium Housing 

INsulation Stops EMF can Hold Vic in OIL. 

Coming Soon

ICS file format from the Unigraphics software program.

So anyone who has a CNC can make it.

Choice of Box Materials 

Aluminium Blocks emf From Bobbin

Is the Machining of the Aluminum an important factor?
Alloy 1100 – Good Machinability (Best if Hard Temper) Best Insulation
Alloy 2011 – Excellent Machinability.
Alloy 2024 – Fair Machinability (Best in Annealed Condition)
Alloy 3003 – Good Machinability.
Alloy 5052 – Fair Machinability (Better if Hard Temper)

WHY IS ALUMINUM AN EFFECTIVE SHIELD?
Aluminum is a prized material that can effectively shield electrical applications. This is in large part to its non-ferrous nature and high conductivity. Also, aluminum’s high strength-to-weight ratio, formability, and adaptability make it very efficient and easy to work with. Flexibility is always a great asset for any manufacturer, allowing for a cheap prototyping process and for changes to be made down the line when necessary.

A huge factor in shielding material is its electrical conductivity. 

Every aluminum alloy has its own particular characteristics, so it’s important to know exactly what properties are necessary for your application when selecting a metal for the shield. 


A chart like the one found here

 http://chemical-biological.tpub.com/TM-1-1500-335-23/css/TM-1-1500-335-23_404.htm

 helpfully lays out the varying electrical conductivity rangers of various metals.

WHAT IS ELECTROMAGNETIC SHIELDING?

First of all, you need to know that electromagnetic radiation is made up of electric and magnetic fields that have been coupled. When an electrical field is applied to the surface of a conductor, a current is induced that leads to the displacement of the charge inside the conductor. This cancels the applied field, which means that the current stops.

In other words, electromagnetic radiation can interfere with the proper operation of electrical equipment. Thus it is necessary to shield the equipment that can be disrupted by using a material that will block the radiation. For example, circuits need to be designed so that they are protected from electromagnetic interference that it generates itself while being able to tolerate the electromagnetic interference from the surrounding environment. If there is too much interference, then shielding needs to be applied.

Properly designed electromagnetic shields are effective in both directions. They block emitted radiation from the equipment itself and protect against outside electromagnetic interference that may disrupt the equipment. In general, any metal can be used as a shield, but the specific characteristics of the shielding metal can vary greatly and so great care must be used when selecting the material.

WHAT FACTORS CAN AFFECT ELECTROMAGNETIC SHIELDING?

Electrical shielding can be impacted by a number of factors, both from the design of the shield itself and from the environment in which it will be used. For example, the electrical resistance that arises from the conductor means that the excited field will not completely cancel the incident field. Another consideration is that most conductors have a ferromagnetic interaction with low-frequency magnetic fields.

How you build the shield is of critical importance. If it is necessary to have holes in the shield, these holes will force the current to flow around them. Any fields that pass through the holes will not excite the opposing electromagnetic fields. Thus, the effectiveness of the shield will be reduced. For this reason, holes typically need to be quite small.

Seams can also have a significant impact on the ability of the shield to properly function. Basically a seam is any part of an enclosure in which one piece of metal comes into contact with another piece, including a door or hatch. If the bonding is not adequate, then a voltage can develop across the seam, which can allow radiation to penetrate the seam.

Wiring of your application must also be done carefully as it will have a significant impact on your shielding. Because every wire carries a voltage, there is always an electric field carried along the wire. If there is wiring that runs into the enclosure, that can create electromagnetic interference that will disrupt the circuit. Shielded cables can be used to overcome this challenge.

When developing a shield for your application, some best practices include the following:

  • Maintain continuous contact between separate pieces of metal.

  • Flat, machined surfaces are optimal

  • Use tight screw spacing with less than 1 inch in between

  • You can use gasket material to maintain contact between parts

WHY IS ALUMINUM AN EFFECTIVE SHIELD?

Aluminum is a prized material that can effectively shield electrical applications. This is in large part to its non-ferrous nature and high conductivity. Also, aluminum’s high strength-to-weight ratio, formability, and adaptability make it very efficient and easy to work with. Flexibility is always a great asset for any manufacturer, allowing for a cheap prototyping process and for changes to be made down the line when necessary.

A huge factor in shielding material is its electrical conductivity. Every aluminum alloy has its own particular characteristics, so it’s important to know exactly what properties are necessary for your application when selecting a metal for the shield. A chart like the one found here (http://chemical-biological.tpub.com/TM-1-1500-335-23/css/TM-1-1500-335-23_404.htm) helpfully lays out the varying electrical conductivity rangers of various metals.

WHAT TYPES OF APPLICATIONS IS ELECTRICAL SHIELDING USED IN?

There are a wide variety of applications in which shielding is a necessary consideration. Shielded cable, for example, has a wire mesh surrounding the inner core conductor in order to shield it from electrical interference. Microwave oven doors need shielding, as do medical and laboratory equipment that might be exposed to interfering signals. Electronic devices in particular, such as cell phones, radios, and televisions, have many fine components and circuits that require shielding as well.

Such devices can be quite challenging to build shields for because they need to last long enough to make consumers happy, but there is also tremendous pressure to keep manufacturing costs as low as possible. While aluminum is not appropriate for every shielding application, its flexibility and other unique characteristics make it a popular choice for manufacturers.

SUMMARY

Clinton Aluminum has decades of experience working in a wide range of industries that require electromagnetic shielding, including IT, aerospace, and appliance manufacturers. We take pride in working with our customers to provide versatile and cost effective aluminum alloys customized for their specific applications. We sell products in all shapes, forms, and tempers, including flat bars, sheets, plates, and coil.

Our motto has always been the “The Right Alloy for the Right Application.” Our goal is to be a technical resource partner to our suppliers and customers in the most effective manner possible. We will do more than just fill out your order in a timely manner. We’ll also consult with you at every step in your manufacturing process to make sure you have the best material at the best price point.

Vic 2 High Voltage Terminals

 Connectors need to be insulated

Document on the Terminals for VIC Style 2 High Voltage Connections.

VIC Bobbin - Multi Coil,

Original S.M. Specs

 3D PRINT THE BOBBINS WITH THESE FILES.

AGroup Of Home Builders Did this ovr time.  

 

But a BIG Shout out for Fire Pinto from RWG Forums

 who is the 3D Genius to put this together . 

A printable copy of Stan Meyers original Multi Coil design.

Dimensions were all taken from DynoDon's PDF files:

 

1>http://open-source-energy.org/forum/attachment.php?aid=398

 

2>http://open-source-energy.org/forum/attachment.php?aid=399

 

 

File

 

Version:VICspool_horiz_3.30.12[attachment=1130]

Sketchup and STL Download:[attachment=1131]

 

Click to view with GrabCad 3D Viewer:

 

www.http://grabcad.com/

 

Outer Bobbin

Inner Bobbin

 

 

Change log:Added wire groves between the dividers.

 

Added holes for turret terminals and wire entry / exit.

Keystone Cat. No. 11351 turret terminal should fit the holes, but 1.4 mm will need to be filed off the length of the 4-40 screw.

I tried to locate all the holes and grooves as accurate as possible using the estate photos.

The groove on the inner bobbin was hard to figure out, but I'm 99% sure it is right

 

.File Version:VICspool_horiz_3.27.12[attachment=1105]

 

Sketchup and STL Download:[attachment=1104]

 

Click to view with GrabCad 3D Viewer:

Outer Bobbin

Inner BobbinChange log:

 

Rotated spools 90 degrees in an attempt to print with standard Skeinforge style support structure, while using a single filament extruder.

 

Removed 1 mm from the inside diameter of the recessed area on the outer bobbin.

Removed 1 mm from the outside diameter of the smaller end of the inside bobbin.

 

More space may be needed, a test print will have to be done.

 

File Version:VIC 10.25.11b STL files:[attachment=1103]

 

Click to view with GrabCad 3D Viewer:

Outer Bobbin

Inner Bobbin

 

Sketchup Download Link:

http://open-source-energy.org/forum/attachment.php?aid=397

 

Originally Posted:

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=119&pid=1476#pid1476

 

Source files are also mirrored on GrabCad:

http://grabcad.com/library/vic-injector-bobbins-14-cavity

 

 

 

Added STL files to the zip file

 

VIC 10.25.11b_STLs.zip - 43.12 kB

 

VICspool_horiz_3.27.12.zip - 184.91 kB

 

VICspool_horiz_3.27.12.png - 98.19 kB, 1280x776,

 

VICspool_horiz_3.30.12_a.png - 248.99 kB, 1260x750,

 

VICspool_horiz_3.30.12.zip - 247.61 kB

 

 

Added a version for printing the bobbins horizontally.

 

The thought is to set Skeinforge to print supports with the "everywhere" selection.

It will use more filament, but should be way easier to remove the supports. My only concern is print quality. Worth a try though. (Firepinto)

UPDATE 2016  RWG TEAM

 

Posted By nav rwg

 

 

Massive, massive, massive breakthrough, finally got somewhere.

« 6 days ago »Last edited 6 days ago

Finally after years and years of testing and nothing, this morning I've got the breakthrough I've been looking for. Been testing my drive circuit on a VIC this morning, the whole set up is pictured below. The secondary has to be a bifilar and wound exactly like Tesla's but you have to put a resistor (R5) across the secondary as pictured below that equals the total resistance of the cancelled linear inductance field of all 3 coils in the resonant circuit otherwise it justs burns the wire out because it acts as a dead short.

Another thing i've discovered this morning is this: The diode does not work if there is no gap in the core underneath the primary because the core shorts the resonant circuit out and instead of current being cancelled in the Tesla bifilar it leaks through the core into the 2 inductors.

I racked my brains for weeks trying to figure all this out about the air gap and yesterday I finished my drive circuit so I just got my bobbin of 48 gauge out this morning and just did it the Tesla way.

I had no resistor where R5 is in the circuit because I didn't realise and the wire just lit up bright orange and burned out as I increased the voltage. As soon as I put a resistor in that location, it cured the problem but the circuit was still using current somewhere to charge a cap and I couldn't figure it out. I slid my primary over the gap in the core and that meant I had 2 gaps and it wouldn't charge the secondary at all because the flux circuit was broken on both sides of the core. That didn't work either.

I knew I was close but missing something important about the core and then it dawned on me that you only need ONE gap in the core to allow the diode to work and that gap is underneath the primary. So I grinded 5mm off one of my core legs on the primary side so that the primary was sat over the gap and straddling it but the C cores were touching on the choke side of the core. BINGO BINGO BINGO BINGO.

The secondary gets red hot believe me and if you put too much current into it you will melt it into a blob of copper, it needs to be in oil or something.

The primary bridges the gap in the core during charging of the core, thats why Stan has an hole in the plastic frame so he see's how wide his gap is but its only on the primary side. When the secondary and chokes start to self resonate, the core won't allow a short circuit anymore so the diode begins to work and you get high voltage and hardly no current. The current I measured was the value of the resistor R5. Anyone can do this test in minutes, all you need to do is sweep your frequency of your main pulser until you see the voltage go up in the chokes to find their self resonance then ping the circuit at half of that. Twiddle the resistors R6 and R7 and you'll see the amp meter go up and down.

I wasn't going to spend any more money on this but I am now I've got the VIC working. I'm making a video of the whole process and a detailed description of how it works.

The resistor on Stan's circuit is not on the primary its on the bifilar secondary. I've read some more Tesla patents and other bits by other people and this is why my wire which I replaced with R5 burned out: In a Tesla bifilar coil, the linear inductance is neutralised by opposing current directions and the resistance of this opposition is distributed evenly across the entire coil at an even temperature. However, where wire A and B and connected together on the outside of the coil the resistance is no longer distributed evenly and a resistive spike occurs that can be described as a dc short. The resistance must be met with the same value as the entire resistive value of the coil itself. There is no wonder my wire burned out PMSL.

I've marked where this occurs on a Tesla coil and where it occured in my circuit.

Allow an inductor to be an inductor when charging it but don't allow it to be an inductor when discharging it.     Everything else is hogwash.

 

Please note, the 48 gauge wire I used this morning was for test purposes. Full setups use 29 or 30 gauge.

 

SIDE NOTE

 

UFO_politics has started a thread on another forum doing hard research into Ken Wheeler's theory of magnetism:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20331-enlightened-magnetism-full-proof-ken-wheelers-theories.html

The reason I mention this stems from Nav's placement of the primary directly over a single gapped core.  If you dig into the thread above ignoring all the BS talk and just consider what is being explained/demonstrated, I think it may become clear as to what is really going on, hopefully leading to all sorts of great inventions and maybe even a change in the course of history.

What Nav has done may be a novel way to produce fuel from water; that's pretty cool in and of itself, but suppose we can make true self-looped electrical generators from these techniques too.  Now that would be really cool.

Note from NAV

 

I was convinced from the start that Tesla was the influence in this VIC and I stopped reading other people and read Tesla more and more till I began to understand a little about the VIC.

 

This morning I just thought to myself, forget what Stan is doing, start off with a Tesla bifilar coil and work from there so I built one. Burning out the wire was the beginning of the Tesla lesson, having my C core in two halves was a Meyer lesson and I knew damn well that Stan did not put those holes in the core frame for nothing and I always had it in my mind that the core was shorting the diode out.

 

My next job after building the full size VIC is making sure I match the VIC to the cell perfectly. I've got the lengths of the tubes worked out pretty much but I need to figure out a plus or minus 10% device where I can fine tune the reactance of the VIC to the reactance of the cell.

 

Stan used a wiper arm on the negative choke on the VIC because of the inaccuracy of his coil winding but what can you use at the Cell end? I was thinking in terms of shortening one of my 6 tube sets and add some kind of heavy duty variable capacitor or sliding one of the inner tubes upwards to change the reactance.

 

Can you wind your coils with several taps, maybe a dozen or so or add small (low turn count) chokes between the cell and VIC?

What I envision is a method to size the electronics to many different types of cell arrangements; the reason being there are a lot of cells out there already people have made and if we can come up with a way to get them all singing, that would be huge progress.  Heck, I have a 1000 dollar cell sitting in a box my neighbor machinist made for me--a lot of good it does if you can't drive it.

Any reason for alternating the polarity of the cells instead of them all having internal tube as positive?

 

Thanks for sharing 2 years of hard work also.

The distributed capacitance in the coils needs to be distributed evenly both on the positive and negative tubes.

 

In a normal cap both plates are the same size to achieve this but in the tubes you have a greater surface area on the outer tube than the inner tube which is not even distribution.


To balance this you need a minimum of 2 tube sets so that you would have an inner positive and outer negative then inner negative and outer positive. Now you have the same voltage per mm2 across the entire tube set.

 

The hardest thing to understand when matching tube sets to cells is that we are not dealing with linear inductance anymore.

The bifilar secondary causes the linear inductance to be a static value and my R5 resistor deals with that but now we have electrostatic inductance down the length of the coil and the maths is pretty complex.

 

If you read Tesla's papers on longtitudinal waves, the calculations and maths are all in there but its not easy and it took me 2 days to do the maths but basically you are finding out how many tubes can fit in your coil then finding the difference between round wire and tube.
 

To simplify this imagine you have a coil of wire on a former that is 3 feet long, your coil is wrapped around the former all the way along and now your coil width is 3 feet wide same as the former, the wire thickness is 1mm and the diameter of the former is 20mm.

 

Your first tube would be three feet long, 21mm diameter and 1mm thickness devided by 78% which is the difference between solid copper tube and a wrapped copper tube. 

 

You then wrap another layer of wire on top of the first layer, your next tube would need to be 3 feet long, 22mm diameter etc etc. In the real world the thickness of our wire is 0.25mm and that means 4 layers of coil wire per 1mm tube. Its complex but it can be done.

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I went for searching for tesla and longitudinal waves, one thing interesting i did find....
in the picture below circled in red, the circuit looks very similar to stans:
two inductors in series with a capacitor ( condensor in teslas case), and a frequency generator.
There is also a tesla coil in there also, I've found it hard to  find any circuit that has inductor/capacitor/inductor in series.

Quote from nav on December 19th, 11:50 PM

The secondary gets red hot believe me and if you put too much current into it you will melt it into a blob of copper, it needs to be in oil or something. 
The current I measured was the value of the resistor R5.

Quote from nav on December 19th, 11:50 PM

Anyone can do this test in minutes,

Interesting ... 

Nav I was wanting to glean some technique from your setup.   
now if i read right you just tested your coil without loading it up to cell?
if not Do you have measurement of voltage input to cell?
hows your gas production? 

you mentioned your wire was burning up so you added a resistor.



the reason im asking is because as far as energy consumption is concerned ive seen as little as 1watt of consumption 
and producing bubbles... not using high voltage rather low voltage and low amperage.
I would like to compare the High voltage to low voltage results.

anyways Ive had similar results with 4volts and .25 amps thats 1watt.. no resistors were used. 

in the test that is linked bellow I do have an Ecore inductor(its behind black box in video) and it does have a "gap" that at different frequency it starts to make a noise or 
ringing..

.

Nav's Reply 

Last year with bucking coils I measured 1200v per coil but was plagued with flyback but this was different.

My bifilar for test purposes was 300 turns of 48 gauge (i'm assuming its 48 gauge but it was wrapped on a wooden dowel and may be 40 gauge) , the inductors were 300 turns each, the primary was 100 turns. @ 4 volts the wire melted and was replaced by a 1000ohm resistor 0.6watt. 


The bucking coils got red hot last year and the bifilar secondary was no different this time, there is a difference though, the bucking coils were on a transformer with no air gap and flew the voltage back into my pulsar and broke through a 1000v diode, but this time although I had a flyback diode there it doesn't come back at the primary.

 

If you have no gap in the core and you have an impedance mismatch the voltage comes back through the core, with a gap in the core it forces the voltage through stans diode into the inductors and through the load and around again. Its brilliant, the voltage cannot get back onto the core and flyback.

 

I measured 580v @ 8v into the primary but my meter is only capable of 600v so I stopped. Pinged it at 4Khz because these coils seemed to be resonant at around 8Khz. 
 

Just a thought for testing purposes.How about varying the level of

water in the cell to vary the capacitense of the cell to match the VIC?

 

Yes that is very logical.. This is what the {WFCI injector}  was designed to handle ... A Drop of Water..

 

If that works it could be a fairly easy for anybodies cell to run on a particularly made VIC by finding the right capacitense/ level of water that they are using and maintining that level.

 

Note from Nav 

I was thinking about what Matt was saying and the link he provided. Thane Heins who seems to have disappeared from the scene talked about high and low reluctance flux paths in transformer cores and he also had a resistor across one of the coils which was a dummy load. Similar patterns emerging.


The golden rule for Stans circuits is to allow all the coils to be inductive when they are purged by the primary but do not allow the secondary and chokes to be inductive when the primary current is switched off.


This circuit has massive potential and not just in a cell. For example, if you get rid of the cell and place a large capacitor in its place then have a voltage regulator in parallel to the cap into a load then the load will run for the cost of the resistor at R5 and the distributed cancelled linear inductance of the bifilar . Because of the air gap in the core, there is no induced back EMF into the primary and the resonant circuit will always be isolated from the primary input. 


When Tesla built his bifilar coils he discovered that you can neutralise current and dissipate it as heat but he also discovered that the induced voltage field escapes the coil.

 

What Stan has done is to allow a magnetic field to induce his coils in a core then once the primary has finished purging the VIC, the bifilar coil destroys the magnetic field and linear inductance and once again it escapes as heat but the voltage field is allowed to escape 90 degrees out of phase.


It cost the system the price of the heat and the resistor to take the voltage (which increased expotentially as a square law to the cancelled magnetic induction field) but when you spend the voltage it doesn't matter if you reintroduce current back into another circuit because it is isolated from the primary of the VIC.

 

In other words you could stop the system and unplug the input voltage then uncouple the capacitor, walk down the street to your friends house and run a motor with it for an hour and use as much current as you like until the capacitor is empty.

About the core material of the transformer?

 

Is this a Ferrite core or iron plates...........Pulsing around 4 kHz seems to work the best with iron. What is the magnetic permeability of the core material and how long measures the air gap?

The enery, accumulated in a bifilar coil is 250.000 times greater compared to a normal coil so it's a very good idea to choose a bifilar setup for the secondary.

 

Navs Reply

My core is laminated steel.

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It is a good idea to use clear plastic like I did yesterday so you can continue to see the air gap, I took about a dozen pictures yesterday as I was making this device and this one is the primary being wound. The core is only 15mm wide by 5mm thick. 

NOn Meyer Circuit Section here possible improve to monitoring circuit

Would it be possible to add a current limit in the circuit, hopefully for the sake of preventing frying things ahead of schedule?


I guess it could serve another purpose aswell, to let you know that you're close to the sweet spot if/when the current to the primary all the sudden goes down, which in turn then is indicated when the current limit LED fades away, provided of course that you set the current limit fairly low to start with,

which in that case of course means that the value of the current sensing resistor is set fairly high to start with as the bias of the PN transition in the current limiting transistor that way would be reached already at fairly low currents through the primary.


Another problem is to know what the max current to the primary should be allowed to be, which is then used for calculating the min value of the current limiting resistor.

I would think that the current limit would be just under the  amperage  rating of weakest  the component in the system.If the primary wire is the weakest component then I would  size the current  limit 25 percent less than the wires insulation  full amp rating.

Old news perhaps, but as for a replacement for the 1N1198a diode google showed me Vishay 25FR100PBF or 25F60PBF, depending on if you want the anode or the cathode to be connected to the stud.

Edit: 25FR60PBF and/or 25F60PBF has the same data as the 1N1198a, only they're capable of rectifying 25A instead of 20A, which of course is preferable, with the same 600V reverse bias voltage as the 1N1198a.
I'm guessing though if you go for a 1000V or 1200V diode then that couldn't possibly impede cell performance any, remains to be seen though.

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